Talk:Jeff the Killer/@comment-25425104-20141028211408/@comment-7471959-20141126012149

RowDawg, and I bet you think you know what a masterpiece is? Allow me to... enlighten you on just how bad this pasta is, since you're obviously just butthurt that it got taken off Creepypasta Wiki. Children, take notes, because I am going to deconstruct this pasta for you all to see. Doubtful that everyone will read the whole thing, because some act and speak as though they dropped on their heads as infants. However, if you do read the whole thing, then you'll at least have earnt my time to watch you try to logically counter my arguments. This is going to be a long post, so get comfortable or leave as you wish, but don't waste my time with childish insults or half-thought posts with questions that have already been answered or arguments that suggest that you haven't read the full thing.

The Pasta already kicks off on a bad note with the "newspaper" excerpt. No child as young as the one featured would use that kind of vocabulary. If a single one of you just casually used words like "illuminating", "ominous" and "horrendous" when you were eight or younger, then I'll give you a medal. Also, a pair of two eyes... so, four eyes? If you called the police to report this, and said a pair of two eyes when describing Jeff, then they would likely hang up on you for reporting a four-eyed monster. Also, if Jeff as a grown man can't overpower a kid like that, then that's his scare factor out the window window that he entered through. And how did the police get there so quickly? It was like a ten second response time between the scream and the boy's dad having the knife stuck in his shoulder and the police are there, were they already driving down the street or something? Why don't we have that kind of law enforcement?

Things just get worse from there. There is no logical reason for Jeff's homicidal tendencies, even better is that these tendencies are reduced to "a feeling". I haven't even studied psychology and I can tell you that that is not how it works. If Jeff was abused or seriously bullied when he was younger (note: I am talking as in prior to Jeff and Liu being harrassed, since he got "the feeling" even before meeting the bullies) or whatever then I would understand, but nope, no such thing mentioned anywhere at all in the story, therefore the assumption is that there was no abuse or serious bullies before Jeff's family moved.

At the bus shelter, Jeff broke Randy's arm, stabbed Keith's arm, and incapacitated Troy, yet no more than five days later they are seemingly fully healed and ready to fight. Not only that, but how the hell can they jump over a fence with their skateboards? Are they superhumans or something? Even without their injuries, which seemingly mean nothing, pre/early teens - one of them so fat that all it took was a punch to the stomach to down him - couldn't jump over a fence with skateboards for the life of them unless the fence was lower than knee-height (and I'm assuming that the fence would have been - at minimum - as tall as they were). Despite the fact that the flaws are so visible now, I'm not finished with the three superhumans yet; never mind the fact that there are three adolescents with guns and knives in the presence of dozens of adults, which is a very improbable situation, but neither Jeff's parents, or any of the adults for that matter, do what any responsible adult would do and protect him or any of the other kids. Does nobody at least call the police? After all, they've got to have those ten second response police out there like the ones in the newspaper excerpt, right? But nope! No action taken on their part whatsoever, only moving to put the fire out when Jeff comes rolling down the stairs (he would have had many broken bones from that, if not from being bashed by the superhuman bullies; it's almost as though all the adolescents are superhuman in this story).

Now, let's talk about my favourite part of this pasta; the judicial system is two things at once, a complete joke and nonexistant. Police do not just take people to prison - not even JDC - just like that. They have to have a trial, and not just because I say it has to be that way, because it is a law, not optional. If people just got taken to jail like that, how many innocent people would end up in jail without a chance to speak for themselves or to get a lawyer to help them? I thought this was supposed to be a "fancy" neighbourhood and Jeff's family can't even get a lawyer? I'm sorry, fangirls and fanboys, but I'm going to have to stop you there; are you out of your mind in thinking that this is good? While I have seen worse pastas, this isn't by any means a great pasta. I don't deny that it is a classic, but that doesn't mean that it is good.

Also, as Mcorbettd pointed out, fire doesn't make your hair go black, it just shrivels it and burns it to ash. I haven't personally witnessed this myself, but I'm pretty sure that bleach and vodka don't make your skin white, especially when they're set on fire. Also, as previously mentioned, Jeff would have had many broken bones from being bashed up by the bullies and falling down the stairs. And what's with the tense change? (e.g. [Past tense, as with majority of story] "Jeff screamed and fell to his knees. Randy started kicking him in the face." [sudden change to present tense] "After three kicks Jeff grabs his foot and twists it, causing Randy to fall to the ground."  [Sudden change back to present tense] "Jeff stood up and walked towards the back door. Troy grabbed him.") It's almost as if the author meant to say ''"After three kicks Jeff grabs the tense and twists it to present tense." ''Also, do hospitals clean and fix clothes like that for you? The more you know.

Now, let's come to the climax of the story; the night Jeff killed his family. How did he burn out his eyelids without completely blinding himself? It isn't possible for someone of his state to get it so perfectly that he could see where he was even walking and who he was killing. And if he cut out his cheeks, he would have bled out, and there is no mention of him or anyone else cauterising the wounds, so he would have bled out long before the events of the newspaper excerpt.

I realise that this isn't even everything that is wrong with the story, but I think you get the point by now. So if you have gotten this far, then you have earned my time to read your thoughts on this post, positive or negative. If it's not too much to request well thought out feedback, please give me some because I do welcome advice that may improve my arguments (whether it is my structure, points, length, etc.)

P.S. If you're planning to use TL:DR, then don't bother posting. It is a waste of my time and yours.

P.P.S. If you're arguing to say that it's good, don't use the "but iz a classic" argument, because that has been used so many times despite the fact that it doesn't really say much about why people think it's good, that it will render your whole argument invalid to me.

~ Walsh